International Travel to Bali and onward
So I am Planning on leaving the US for about a year. The first leg of that would be a couple of months in Bali for medical reasons. By necessity I am going to need to bring like 8-9 kilos. Unfortunately I get some pretty strong reactions (both physical and psychological) when I don’t have the herb and that’s not to mention excruciating pain. I went to get tickets and kayak wanted to route me through Turkey and Singapore which was a bummer as kratom is illegal there. I stared thinking about Indonesia and that I do not understand the legal situation there at all. It was supposed to be banned by 2022 but obviously that didn’t happen. With things as they are am I going to have serious problems if I attempt to travel through their country for a couple of months? Unfortunately the other affordable countries in Asia I could get treatment have put a tight lock on travel still due to Covid with no end in sight. I lost my home too and actually need to leave the country fairly soon for cheaper pastures if I don’t just want to be sick, pained, broken and homeless. I do not really know where else to seek advice since the FB groups are basically broken and paranoid.
Welcome to the forum, @Myrd!
I’m sure you have this idea already going on, but have you included the shipping options for meeting your kratom there at all?
Plus, going through Bali…I would think you can do some CRAZY inexpensive kratom WHILE TASTE TESTING IT locally, no?
What are the issues you’re having with leaf? Maybe resolving something with that can add some options for you?.
I’m just thinking out loud sorta. I don’t have a clue about travel these days, so HOPEFULLY more folks will see your post.
Im SO SORRY to hear of your home 🏡 situation. Just awful. These times are NOT what I would have guessed…same with everyone, I think…
Anyway, welcome! A LOT OF PEOPLE came through here during the opioid “use disorder” times. Not as busy now … thankfully that issue is stabilized… sort of.
Hope your visit here proves to be helpful.
Have a wee bit better day!
@laurie I don’t fully understand your post. Are you asking if I have thought about having kratom shipped to me overseas while traveling? It has been thought of but actually receiving a package in a third world country is a bit hit or miss especially if there is anything of value in it, that’s if I even have a solid address to send things. Also if I take none with me I will be in withdrawal on the plane itself and however long after and mine are really bad.
As far as finding it in Bali itself and taking it onward from there, I don’t know. I don’t really know the country and I don’t think you can just go down to the local Walmart and find dozens of varieties (or any). I wouldn’t know where to look. I imagine most of what is produces is being exported.
Beyond these points I do not understand the legality of it at all in Indonesia. It was being made illegal, some kind of delay was put on that but no further info seems available. We are still getting it so they are still producing, processing and exporting but that doesn’t mean people are allowed to bring it in. If I have 10 kilos is someone going to call me an importer and potentially tell me it’s banned and I am a smuggler? Being placed in an Indonesian prison would be awful. It could be that I would have no problems at all or it could be a really major freaking problem and I am not sure how to find out. Even getting up to date information on their travel restrictions is ridiculous and they change them every few days.
I am feeling scared like I should come off the herb except I would be in agony and it helps treat basically being in a 24 hour panic attack. When I have tried to stop that all comes back magnified because of withdrawal. I honestly do not know how much more I can take. My health conditions don’t disappear because I will it so or I obviously wouldn’t need kratom or anything else.
Thanks for your reply. So it’s not very active in here these days? Is there anywhere that is? They won’t let me post about this on Facebook. We can’t even use the word kratom anymore. I’m so tired.
I’m looking up “travel” on this forum now, to see what previous and other posts might have more for you to go from here…It might be worth a look … have you used mewe? That app has a lot of Indonesian people posting. Which might be able to clarify the laws and other information about travel (they ship all over the world, some of those vendors).
I can feel your anxiety in your post. I sympathize with THAT. I truly hope you find some proper assistance for safely guiding your upcoming journey.
Have a wee bit better day!
I have a friend on a diff forum that lived in Thailand for 7+Years , has recently moved to a diff country , but not before seeing Thailand legalize kratom. I believe they are selling it at the local markets … I’ll ask and get back to you. But as far as legality in Indonesia goes, Malaysia may be the only country that’s still has it listed as illegal? Funny because it grows in abundance there . Borneo is the Mecca / hub center for 90% of all krstom exported . So Borneo would be a great place to get your bearings figured out . I have a LinkedIn account where I’ve befriended many suppliers . I’d be happy to inquire about you possibly meeting up so as to secure a friend/ friends and a source for your medicinal kratom . @Laurie already mentioned about getting it shipped in advance , I can totally see that as a great thing , given (like you mentioned ) a safe mailing address . A couple things - how much are you consuming per dose ? How many times a day ? One thought is to titrate down a little or a lot before embarking on your journey .. I used to take twice as much as I do nowadays, and I’ve had great success having cut my intake in half .
wishing you the best , and let me know if you’d be interested in me finding a friend to connect with if you end up going to Borneo . 🙏
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@somethingsacred I appreciate the offer of Borneo. It is a completely different island though and I do not know the legal or importation implications from island to island. Even if they were to allow me to bring kratom in if I bring in enough for a year long journey it’s going to straight up look like importation anyway as I would have upwards of 9-10 kilos. I currently consume about a kilo a month. My individual doses are not super big but I find myself dosing quite often or my symptoms and pain begin to become unpleasant. At this point I think I will have to come off of kratom altogether though and from my past experience I am going to need serious pharmaceutical assistance. I will try high dose cbd isolate for pain though. I am pretty sure I can get around with a bunch of that. I might still be screwed though idk. I do wish I had good contacts in Bali to buy a few kilos. It would be nice to at least have it for break through pain and to take onward from Bali. I am really nervous and concerned but I suppose that’s whatever. Before discovering kratom I reached a point with pain where I didn’t want to keep going. I don’t want that to happen again. It also helped me with a terrible panic disorder and I was able to quite drinking which I had struggled with for ten years or so. It really has been a godsend for me. I think it’s sad that some governments are willing to ban such a safe and helpful plant at the behest of a mafia organization like the fda. Btw I did talk with someone who lived in Bali and brought up mailing a bunch in beforehand. They laughed at that outright. Anyway I picked up a bunch of Hirsuta and I will take a couple of weeks with it and hope I can handle the withdrawals and return of pre-kratom symptoms with the substances I have easy access to.
@laurie I will go the beginning of next month. I decided to stay away from Indonesia at the moment as I never could get clear information about whether it would be a problem to enter with kilos. Weaning is happening some during the night. When I wake to take some my doses are much less. During the day it is maybe a bit less but not much. I get such intense anxiety with reduction of dose or intervals. I will do what I can, bring a kilo and go where I can walk into a pharmacy and get what meds I need without question. I am just going to lock myself up in a furnished apartment and heavily medicate myself for a cold turkey approach. I don’t think I can do it another way. It just drags it out, I suffer more and then increase exponentially again. Trying to quit via weaning and cold turkey has been counter productive so I figure a week or two of hard core medication for RLS etc. and “forget me now’s” might be the way. I’ll see some good doctors of Asian medical systems as I am finishing and see if I can get some integration as well as better pain control with non addictive herbs. I refuse to demonize kratom like most who decide they need to stop. It’s helped me tremendously and I think that would be foolish and narrow minded of me but I do want to be done. This day next month I will have my final dose as I should be where I need to be and setup. Either way I am not going to bring enough to take it for a year or more so I will really have no other choice but to push forward with detox. Thanks for checking on me.
No worries. Sounds familiar. My doppelgänger, at last! I’m in some state of withdrawal more often than not. But you know that spot when you’re finally done. No mistaking it. I’ve only gotten 7 consecutive days at a time. That I can remember. I’ve had memory issues along the journey of wacky world as of late.
I’ll try to check on you again before you go. I’m rooting for you! 👏
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