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Marcus
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Because I have been taking Kratom daily for close to 8 years now Kratom only lasts about 2 hours for me. Whenever I first started using it it would last around 3 hours & sometimes 4 with strains like Green Malay. My dose is only about 2 - 3 grams but I take it about couple of hours. I am using Agmatine & DLPA to Reduce my Tolerance at the Moment & in just a few days it is already working. Agmatine reduces Tolerance over time & DLPA Potentiates Kratom which means you don't have to use as much & also the Effects will be Stronger.

I am also using Phenibut to take for half a day to give my body a slight rest from Kratom. Anybody using Phenibut Please be very careful with this Supplement. Phenibut is no joke man. After taking it for just 3 days your Tolerance will build up & take it anymore than 3 days & you can become addicted to it & when you stop the Withdrawals are worse than any Opiate or Benzo. That's why I only take it for half a day & then take a 3 day break. I recommend Phenibut for when you are really Stressed out, really anxious or are Really Depressed. I can highly Recommend Agmatine Right now. I am still Experimenting with DLPA & will let everybody know.

Has anybody else had any Experience with any of these Supplements? What Doses do you Recommend with Agmatine DLPA or Phenibut? Any other Info will be helpful. I take Prozac everyday. Is it safe to take these Supplements with Prozac or is there a Possibility of Interaction?

Life Is Like Teaching Sanskrit To A Pony.
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Topic starter Posted : 05/09/2017 5:44 pm
Laurie
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Hi kiddo!
I use 1 gram of agmatine on an empty stomach 3 times per day. It has pain relieving properties in my metabolism but does not help with the tolerance issue at all.
I'll be interested to hear about DLPA and phenibut conclusions you share here.

Have a wee bit better day!

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Posted : 06/09/2017 3:46 am
Liz
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I have utilized Agmatine when tapering. Although it didn't help me, I know it is very effective for others. People swear by it. I have found good Black Seed Oil and Stem and Vein very effective when tapering or trying to reduce tolerance. Some people combine all of the above.

Phenibut scares me. I had one bad experience - never again. Do some research - I think using it every 3 days is still too much. It is easy to become dependent on it and, as you know, stopping is no joke. Be careful with that one. There are a lot of horror stories out there about Phenibut.

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Posted : 06/09/2017 7:23 am
Liz
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Posted : 06/09/2017 7:23 am
Laurie
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Hey LittleBelle!

Thanks for sharing about your experience with agmatine. I figured I'm doing something wrong because it doesn't help reduce my tolerance in the least. Do you also get the pain relief from it that I'm noticing? I find it helpful for minor pain relief while waiting for kratom to fully kick in. You?

Have a wee bit better day!

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Posted : 06/09/2017 9:32 am
Marcus
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Thanks for the Info Laurie & LittleBelle. Welcome to the Forum LittleBelle. I do have some Experience with Phenibut. I have had some Withdrawals with it before. So I know what it can do & how bad it can be. I am only using it 3 times per day one day a week right now to take a break from Kratom. I will stop it all together if I have to up my Dosage any.

Thanks for the Warning LittleBelle. I am still experimenting with Agmatine & DLPA. So far so good. I am getting the Perfect dose down with each one. I have a Very Accurate Milligram Scale that I use to Measure it. I will keep you updated on how the Agmatine & DLPA Experimenting are coming along.

Life Is Like Teaching Sanskrit To A Pony.
Intelligence is like a river. The deeper it is... the less noise it makes.

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Topic starter Posted : 06/09/2017 10:47 pm
Liz
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No noticeable pain relief. Maybe I did not use enough, but I am leery about using too much of a product I am not familiar with. Someone recommended it, so I tried it. I bought a bottle of 60 online, tried it for a few weeks and just put it down. I did not notice any difference between the weeks I used it and the weeks after I stopped using it.

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Posted : 07/09/2017 4:06 am
Liz
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It sounds like you are doing well. It's good to figure out what works for you and what doesn't work. These supplements can be tricky to understand.

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Posted : 07/09/2017 4:11 am
Liz
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duplicate

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Posted : 07/09/2017 4:11 am
Jasmin
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All the talk of tolerance lately has made me feel sad. 🙁 I think my tolerance has increased some. It's so hard not to keep dosing when you're in pain. Some day I'll order some akuamma seed. I wish I remembered to do that with my last order!

The agmatine sounds interesting. DLPA gave me a migraine... no thanks. I read that agmatine lowers dopamine which kinda makes me nervous. I also read accounts of it lessening the effects of kratom for some people. It seems everything with this funny plant is a blind experiment. *sigh*

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Posted : 07/09/2017 6:55 am
Laurie
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It is, Jasmin. That's why I'm still in the forum going on 4 YEARS. Still LEARNING and thanking God there was SOMETHING that helps without ADDING problems to the situation.
I remember possibly similar results with DLPA, hence I've been there already. The agmatine was scary at first, but Joe (Re-Leaf LLC) and Gmantheman told me to try again and they were right. But it ALSO must be used on an empty stomach, which is why I got the akuamma seeds. For when I've eaten. But, dangit, they didn't make it into my emergency pouch of herbs for a workshop I'm attending downtown and I was running late, so got down here in shorts (looks like rain) with no akuamma seeds in my pockets 🙁
You're right, it's a mad scientist adventure EVERY DAY, but some days we are big winners, which was NOT the case for my pain before kratom.

Have a wee bit better day!

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Posted : 07/09/2017 8:55 am
Jasmin
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I have a question about the agmatine. Do you have to take it before or with the kratom to help with tolerance, or can you take it at a different time of day. Has anyone gotten headaches from it? I wish I could find a small and cheap amount to try out because amino acids often give me headaches.

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Posted : 08/09/2017 10:41 am
Laurie
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It's recommended you take it 30 minutes before kratom for desired effect. So of course I don't do that! LOL I take it WITH kratom and it definitely enhances the pain relief qualities of the kratom of choice that moment. Probably speeds up pain relief some, from what I can tell unscientifically speaking. Gmantheman knows about it and will hopefully chime in here 🙂

Have a wee bit better day!

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Posted : 08/09/2017 12:25 pm
Marcus
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Still Experimenting with Agmatine & DLPA. I only have to take about 300 mg of Agmatine & 150 mg of DLPA to get good effects. The Agmatine seems to make me relaxed, increases the relaxing effects of Kratom & makes it last about twice as long but smooths out the effects. I think Agmatine would be a Great Sleep Aid. The DLPA seems to Potentiate the Kratom but can give some Dizziness if taken too big of a dosage. So Dosage is very important. I will keep you updated on anymore Changes if there are any.

One more thing I would like to add. I have been Squeezing a Lemon in my Water whenever I take my Kratom Dose each time. It Definitely Potentiates the Kratom & makes the effects come on faster. I tried Phenibut but I just don't get the effect that I would like to get from it. The Addiction & Withdrawal Potential are just too great for me to take.

Life Is Like Teaching Sanskrit To A Pony.
Intelligence is like a river. The deeper it is... the less noise it makes.

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Topic starter Posted : 08/09/2017 8:39 pm
Laurie
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Yes, that's my statement. Please note: no change to my tolerance level is noticed whatsoever.

Have a wee bit better day!

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Posted : 09/09/2017 9:09 pm
Jasmin
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Thanks for all the info everyone. 🙂

The reason I asked about when to take it is that some people are talking about taking similar potentiators when they're doing a tolerance break or at night separate from kratom. So I'm wondering if it can help with tolerance (with those it works for) without using it to potentiate.

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Posted : 11/09/2017 6:17 am
Jasmin
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I'm still watching this thread if anyone else has experiences with agmatine. 🙂 It would be great if it helped with both kratom tolerance and nerve pain... or even just either or.

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Posted : 19/09/2017 11:00 am
Laurie
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It's definitely worth a try for every kratom connoisseur, in my opinion. Helps me, though I can't exactly nail down the words to explain how. It helps. And it's very affordable since very little is needed each day.

Have a wee bit better day!

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Posted : 19/09/2017 11:05 am
Marcus
 Marcus
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I still have been experimenting with DLPA & Agmatine. I have started taking a low dose of each one. I take around 80 mg of DLPA & 150 mg of Agmatine. I have noticed the DLPA does Potentiate the Kratom & it's effects. The Agmatine I am still not sure about it's effects on me. It makes me feel a little off. Both of them have their Place with Kratom. You just have to have a Milligram Scale to measure it correctly to see what dosage works for you. I think it takes a good while before Agmatine will help your Tolerance. I will let you know of anymore effects.

Life Is Like Teaching Sanskrit To A Pony.
Intelligence is like a river. The deeper it is... the less noise it makes.

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Topic starter Posted : 21/09/2017 2:46 am
Marcus
 Marcus
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I have still have been experimenting with DLPA & Agmatine. I have started taking a low dose of each one. I take around 80 mg of DLPA & 150 mg of Agmatine. I have noticed the DLPA does Potentiate the Kratom & it's effects. The Agmatine I am still not sure about it's effects on me. It makes me feel a little off. Both of them have their Place with Kratom. You just have to have a Milligram Scale to measure it correctly to see what dosage works for you. I think it takes a good while before Agmatine will help your Tolerance. I will let you know of anymore effects.

Life Is Like Teaching Sanskrit To A Pony.
Intelligence is like a river. The deeper it is... the less noise it makes.

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Topic starter Posted : 21/09/2017 2:51 am
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