How do i uze Kratom w/prezcribed opiatez while cutting down on them?
Hi i'm new to Kratom and ILK. firzt time pozting (that letter broken
Can i uze Kratom with opiate medication? how far apart would i take them?
i found K a month ago and it haz helped me a ton already get off a nice amount!!
doctorz are cutting way down on amountz prezcribed all of a zudden. 😡
thank you very much.
Thank you very much for your rezponze. I don't know if Kratom could ever be enough for the chronic pain i've lived in 20 yearz but am thrilled to get cutting down on opiate medz that i hate taking!! i cut down immediately when began taking K too zo that worked out well there. TU! Can hardly believe how much help K waz with the withdrawal. Really want to get off opiatez altogether tho zo will keep working at it and c how it goez.
Hello, kobegirl. I'm happy to hear that our leaf has already been helpful to you. You may be surprised at how effective it can be, especially as part of a larger pain management approach. Bomalley has written many good posts about that, too. Though, as with many things, moderation is wise when possible. The only thing I can think to add is that what worked best for me in the beginning was to take my prescribed analgesic dose in the morning and replace later doses with kratom. And, as above, the frequent dosing (every 4-6 hrs) was most effective.
My favorite "pain strains" are mostly red-veined. Some people prefer red thai or red maeng da, as they tend to be more energetic. I have had success with those labeled red kali or red borneo (horned or not), red bali, and red indo. Though I've had some greens that were great for pain, too. What have you been working with?
Hi Intrepid 1,
THANK YOU very much for your great note!! It would be an anzwer to a long dream to get off opiatez after daily handfulz for 20 yrz. truly appreciate your advice& will try that. i def can't zkip the morning doze!!
My favorite "pain" ztrainz (letter broken) are alzo red-veined. Redz are the only onez i have found pain relief with zo far but have only tried Green MD of the greenz. i have to miz the green with the red and have found great pain help from Red Horn, Red Thai, Red Bali!! The firzt round of cutting down waz amazingly not difficult but the 2nd and 3rd roundz of reducing my medz were more difficult but nothing at all like before Kratom. Overall, i got off a good amount of oxycontin in a month with Kratom and am in love with Kratom for certain!!! Ordered the other redz from Chriztopherz Organic Botanicalz thiz morning that i have not yet tried and he mentioned people love the combo of Red Jong Kong with Green Rhiu. Excited to get my new order!!! Really appreciate your input. thinking i might be taking them too cloze together at timez only like an hour apart probably not good. He mentioned more like 3-4 hourz apart would be better. Any thoughtz on that??
I'm glad you've found a good vendor. I have never met Chris, but have seen that he spends a lot of time & energy helping the kratom community and fighting to keep the leaf accessible for us. There are some circumstances where adding to your dose after 30-60 min will help, such as when first dialing in your proper amount. I think what is meant is that, because of the way kratom works, repeating your dose too frequently (more often than every 3-4 hours) can actually be counterproductive. It will work less well for you.
You are better off finding an amount that works for you (uncomfortable is ok, way behind and frantically chasing the pain is not) and repeating that as often as every 3-4 hours as needed.
That iz Brilliant interpid 1!! Will def keep that in mind! like that idea very much, thank you greatly!!! Really appreciate everyone here & your kindnezz to help new people learning. Xx how far apart time wize do you think i zhould keep kratom and my medz? thank you!!
As far apart as you can is best IMO. Even if I had a better idea of your exact circumstances and exactly how you are taking what, I have never tapered off of large amounts of opioids. There are folks here who have, though. Have a look around & you will see what has worked for them.
Keep this in mind:
I would caution against taking Kratom without reducing your opiates. You will only increase the probability of side effects from the opiate dose and you will likely not receive any benefit. (been there done that!)
The rest of the post too, for that matter. It looks like a good one to pin or for the Users Guide or something along those lines. I particularly like the part at the end about not being dependent on politics or public sentiment to get one of the tools in our fight against chronic pain.
It's not as if prescribers woke up one day & decided not to care about their patients' suffering. This is hard on everyone, and that is why I'm so happy we have our leaf.
me too!! i could never be getting off what i am in the amount of time i have without kratom. EVER i know i've been through it all. been from 20 mg oxy to 340 mg oxy daily for 10 yrz back down (20 yr total on oxy). A pain clinic dr. told me a week ago i'm ztill too high zo i kinda have no choice but to 1. quit MMJ zo i can go to a pain clinic and pazz the urine monthly tezt and 2. reduce xanax and opiate pretty fazt without hurting myzelf. Kratom iz a huge God zend. i'm only tapering down 10 mg thiz round of withdrawal after 3 roundz of more than that. You are TOTALLY right, itz not like the providerz woke up and decided to Care about our health now. juzt a wake up/change in AZ law. the no MMJ bitez tho.
Hi Bomalley (hope i zpelled that right!) No itz not right at all but primary care doctorz got a letter they cannot continue to write pain or benzo rx or they will loze their licenze. They have tied hiz handz. He haz NO choice but to zend me and all hiz pain patientz to a Pain Clinic. Went to a pain clinic and the owner dr. waz zhocked at the amount i waz being given and told me Pain Clinicz DO NOT WRITE for that high a doze. he waz kinda awful to me too...very negative zo i told him no thank you and left. I'm working to get down to what they conzider an acceptable amount daily (zheezh!) zo they will TAKE me az a patient az i can't go from 120-150 mg oxy a day to zero. Thank you for your kindnezz. My PCP would zend me to rehab to cut down on opiatez but i do not want to nor need to do that i have a very ztrong will and i do not like taking oxy at all. It kept me alive tho from fibro, lyme, interztitial cyztitiz, many painful injuriez, 13 car accidentz, 23 fallz, fractured the left zide of my body etc. but i'd love to get off it one day. now maybe i can eventually with Kratom. before MMJ alone not enough for pain. Amazed how well i did thru a month of withdrawal with Kratom. Thank you again for your input!!!
kobegirl I will share my experience with you. I have been on oxycodone for about 12 years now and I discovered kratom about a month ago. I was/am taking 60-90 mg oxy per day. I started by splitting days of taking kratom in the morning and oxy in the evening, then I went to taking kratom for 3 days with no oxy what so ever. Then taking my regular oxy meds for 3 days then switching again and repeat. I feel that if I no longer had access to oxy I could switch to kratom completely with minimal problems. I am only perscribed 60mg per day of oxy, so taking days off from taking it has helped me to save up some of my pills for those days where I'm really hurting and need more like 90mg. I have run into days where I was in so much pain that I had to switch back to taking oxy when I had only planned to take kratom, but for the most part, when I start on kratom that day that is all I take for pain. I do not take my oxy at all. Some days there are no problems at all, some days I have small problems but I stick with it. There have only been a couple days so far that the pain was intolerable and I had to switch back to oxy. Everybody is different however and everybody has their own story. I am still learning what mine will be. I wish you the best and hope that hearing my story give you some insight and will help you even if in a small way.
THANK YOU kjdore. firzt that iz amazing to me that you can actually go dayz without 60 mg oxy with kratom. AWEZOME!! and a few dayz at that. Incredible! TRULY!! WOW!!! that iz very encouraging and my body would really appreciate a break like that after 20 yrz of daily high oxy doze. Really appreciate your zharing your experience with you. Here iz mine. I've been on oxy for 20 yrz for a number of pain conditionz. 2 monthz ago i had my zaline breazt implantz removed zo i bumped up my 120 mg. doze daily to 150 mg. On my monthly dr. appt, my PCP getz a letter from new governor AZ PCP can't write pain or benzo Rx anymore. All patientz muzt go to Pain Clinc. NO pain clinic takez oxy patientz on MMJ. zo i have to get off that now. and reduce my oxy to an acceptable to them level. went to firzt pain clinic appt and 120 mg waz NOT acceptable for them but too high. Found Kratom then and got off 30 mg. oxy firzt 10 dayz and it waz not that difficult with 1T Kratom red 3x day. then next 10 dayz i took off 20 mg more oxy, then 10 dayz more i took off 20 more mg oxy while doing the 1T red K 3x day in between. Really ill during the lazt 20 dayz with headache and abdomen cramping but 80% better than without Kratom. i never could have done thiz without kratom . EVER i know! i have tried to before.
now i'm hanging here for awhile before i try to wean off any more but am incredibly grateful for thiz plant!! Thx again for zharing ur ztory with me!! Appreciate you!!
kjdore pretty zure that iz how i will be doing it too now. will keep in touch w/my progrezz and pleaze do with yourz too!! :-h 😡
This thread really touched my heart, thank you for sharing your stories - they will undoubtedly help others find their way to freedom in managing their pain. 🙂
Have a wee bit better day!
Kobegirl I was also amazed that I was able to go days at a time without my oxy. Without kratom it would have been pure hell. I find however that when I take kratom it is kind of a waste to take my oxy that day. At least until the kratom wears off. It does very little for me that the kratom isn't already doing. I'm fortunate that I never was on benzos. Here in Louisiana they stopped prescribing benzos and opiates together a couple years ago. I know of others here that suffered because of that. It seems that is going to become a standard across the country.
Kjore u have given me great hope. I've gone from 150 to 75 mg Oxy in 5 weeks cuz of law change but have wanted to cut down for years. Have to get off benzo and mmj now then can work on lowering Oxy more. Taking Oxy and K an hour apart I had huge withdrawal but 4 hr after Oxy better. Will b thrilled the day I can go without Oxy for pain. TU so much!! How often are u using Kratom on your off Oxy days
Well kobygirl, the simple answer to that question is as often as I feel is necessary to not feel the need to take oxy. To be more specific, on a typical day I start off with a pretty heavy dose very first thing in the morning on an empty stomach (about 10-12g). That is usually enough to get started, but if after about 40 minutes to an hour later, if I feel I need more, which does happen on some of my heavier pain days, I will take another dose of 3-5g. After that I just take a medium to high dose about every 3-4 hours. On a bad pain day those doses are usually around 8-10g. Better days I can get by with 5-6g. My go to strain has been red MD because it does work very well for the pain, but I love the energy it gives as well. Now I will give a word of caution, don't take a dose within an hour or two before bedtime if you are using one of the strains that gives you lots of energy. I made that mistake once and took a pretty big dose about a half an hour before bedtime and I found myself wide awake for about 2 hours. I'm guessing if I had used something like borneo instead, I may not have had that problem. I recently tried red thai, and it gave me even more energy than the red MD. I think I will be switching to the thai first thing in the morning, then switching to MD and if I need some late in the day use borneo. I'm still experimenting to find what works best for me. Keep in mind that I am still somewhat new to this myself. Now the dose sizes I use are probably on the high side, but like you I am a long time opiate user and from my understanding we already have some tolerance to kratom because of the opiate use, so I would expect that you are likely to need high doses yourself. I suspect that you are already getting a feel for how much you need to get the desired results though.
I feel I need to add a little more info that answer because I do feel the need to be very thorough in my responses. You never know what little bit of information in an answer could be useful knowledge. When I said I dose every 3-4 hours that is by no means an exact answer. I don't set a timer or look at the clock to know when to dose. I just take when I feel I need to take. Some days I may go less than 2 hours in between some of my doses. There have been other days where the pain wasn't so bad and I've gone over 6 hours between doses. But for the majority of my doses it is usually between 3-4 hours
Me, too. I don't set a clock or count the time, either. I just notice when I'm needing it and that stuff you added was spot on, nailed it. Sorry to interrupt. I'm out of your chat 🙂 thanks for confirming what I'm doing is similar to you, others will appreciate that material you shared. 🙂
Have a wee bit better day!
Thanks Laurie. I love how appreciative everybody here is. I'm very new to this stuff and I love sharing the little I know of it. For the most part all I can do is share my experiences with everybody and hope that it helps somebody out. I know many people here have helped me out here and I'm very appreciative of that here. I love this community we have here.
Kjdore and Laurie, thank you immensely for the specifics. This plant is biggest answer to my ...
Not sure what happened to rest of my post ... Prayer. Been using 1 tablespoon but great to know I can use more like today w brutal headache migraine med didn't touch. Thx everyone for the info and help!!